This is my military insignia. It is standard issue for all officers involved in time displacement missions. I will post again shortly.For roughly twelve hours, there was only a stunned silence, as fingers paused on keyboards and eyes stared in attempted cognition of the enigmatic lines and bizarrely simple but nonetheless disconcerting angular formations.
Josef6.
Jennieruptha was the first to seize the moment.
I think this clearly has some kind of spiritual significance. The triangle, as Whitley Strieber has written, is one of the most ancient symbols in human mythology, and has represented the idea of balance and integration since the beginning of time. The square formed by the interlocking lines would seem to indicate stability or creativity being a product of balance, and the outgoing, curvaceous lines would indicate an outgoing creative force. There is a strong feminine aspect to the lines because of their curves, which echo ancient fertility statues from the pre-patriarchal era of human civilization. Josef may be indicating to us that, even in the military, the age in which he lives has developed a greater appreciation of the feminine and the ideal of wholeness.Prettycrazygirl answered in kind.
Wow. Jennifer is definitely on to something. I really want to say something important, though. Whatever Josef’s mission may be, we need to be respectful and patient about how we react to it. I think all the posters here make some really good points, except for the close minded trolls we should all be smart enough the ignore. If Josef is here for some motive he hasn’t revealed to us, that’s his business and not ours. He has responsibilities we can’t even begin to understand. He’s already given us some pretty reasonable limits on what he can tell us and there may be other pressures on him that he chooses to keep for himself. We should all remember that Josef is a guest here and we need to treat him like one. I’m sure that when the time is right, he’ll tell us whatever we need to know. If he really is trying to help us avoid his future, he’ll give us the information we need when we need it. I agree with eek, everyone needs to chill out a little bit and be respectful!Saintmobius chose another subject.
I want to say something real quick about jennie’s comment. As a professor of syntactic structures I do a lot of work on the basic underpinning symbologies involved in primitive art and languages. Her statements about the triangle are true, to an extent, but while the triangle is one of the most basic shapes in human history, it is not the only one. The circle, for instance, appears somewhat earlier. However, the equation of the curve with the feminine is not necessarily uniform. The cave paintings at Tertaux, for instance, use the curve to indicate the legs of horses and the bending of the hunters bow. In the same way, the triangle can represent the traditional arrowhead or spearhead. In other words, the attribution of a feminine essence to the symbol in question is not necessarily accurate. The use of the triangle and the curved lines could just as easily be basic symbols of the warrior ethos. This seems very likely due to Josef’s open admission that the symbol is military in nature. More to the point, the return to basic primitive symbology would seem to be likely given the post-apocalyptic nature of the future Josef describes. I’m afraid that masculine domination of the psycho-social paradigm is quite typical of primitive societies, which would be the paradigm of a society which has broken down socially and technologically.Jennieruptha was quick to take exception.
“saint” mobius is typical of the patriarchal revisionism that destroyed the feminine essence of the original human societies. Apparently, the very possibility of a return to the feminine after the inevitable self-destruction of the patriarchal system is too much for some men to handle. Everything about the society which Josef describes, the return to subsistence farming, the lack of a central power structure, the end of mass, corporate industry, indicates that the structure of domination on which patriarchal power and oppression bases itself has been destroyed and a return to a Gaianic principle of Mother Earthism has taken its place. Maybe “saint” should try to be a little more open minded before he shoots his mouth off.This was more than saintmobius could take.
I’ve gotten used to being abused by self-appointed internet pontificators. I was expecting something a little better from a forum such as this. We’re all involved in a guessing game here and there’s no need for abuse on the part of anyone. All I did was state my opinion on an issue in which I some expertise. I’m sorry if this offends you, but that’s really not my problem.Prettycrazygirl was determined to keep the peace.
OK guys! Chill out! Isn’t it up to Josef to tell us what all this means? On his own schedule??? I think jennie’s take is really cool, but I don’t KNOW if its true or not, and neither does mobius or anyone else. The only thing we can do is wait for Josef to clarify things. Lets try and keep our heads together people! This is something of historical significance and we’re not going to figure it all out in one day.Jennie took exception.
That is such typical submissive-female bullshit. Some guy comes in and shoots his mouth off and all you can do is lie down and take it. You probably love being date-raped too.Mobius:
Are you comparing me to a rapist?Jennie:
You ARE a rapist!!! Reactionary patriarchists like you are the reason that the female principle has been ignored and erased in establishment anthropology and linguistics. Your phallicism has not only led to the genocide of matriarchy but to war, oppression and the rape of this planet’s natural resources!!! Josef is trying to tell us that a better future is possible and of course that’s just TOO much for you to take! The violence of penetration expresses itself in every facet of patriarchal anthropology and your attempted rape of Josef’s message is no different!!!!!Saintmobius did not reply. Nor did he ever post again on the TimeLords site. Discussion of the gender implications of Josef6’s post effectively ended. Josef himself did not comment. The possible conclusions to be drawn from the symbological syntax of the image was, however, taken up by bourbonstreet5.
Jennieruptha has brought up something very important. I think we can use the general information given to us by Josef along with the symbol in question to draw certain inferences about the time period in question and how we can help to prevent it. Obviously, this will not necessarily help us to change our own timeline, as Josef has pointed out. The problems of temporal displacement are obviously an issue about which our time period knows almost nothing and we won’t be able to deal with them without more information from Josef himself, should he choose to give it. However, IMHO, he’s actually given us quite a lot to work with. He’s told us, for instance, that the civil war here will be set off by a general nuclear exchange with China over Taiwan. Obviously, this is a major issue RIGHT NOW, in this time period. Accordingly, those of us who have been made aware of the implications of this issue by Josef can lend out time and energy to PREVENTING hostilities between us and China over the issue of Taiwan. The peace movement is already on top of this one, but they don’t know what we know. Our knowledge, whether we want to reveal its source or not, gives us an edge that others lack. WE KNOW what the stakes are! WE KNOW what will happen if we fail to prevent war between the US and China on this issue!!! What this means is that WE CARE MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE!!!! In politics, caring about the issue is the most important thing. The great enemy of political change is apathy, and we know -- thanks to Josef -- that we can’t afford apathy.Jennieruptha was gracious in victory.
Thanks bourbon! Its nice to see a smart male in this forum for a change.Here, she typed in a smiley face.
I’m totally with you on the advantage that Josef has given us in revealing these things. Makes you think it might not be a coincidence, doesn’t it? Well, time (wink wink) will tell…A new arrival, survivor69, went even further.
I don’t know about you all, but I think there’s a lot more here than just macro-political issues. There’s a lot we can do on a local, even personally level. Like the song says, “inch by inch, row by row.” We don’t have to influence geopolitics to make a serious change in the world. It has to begin with us. For instance, Josef talks about the return to subsistence farming. Well, that’s something anyone can do! Up where I am, all our food is grown in our greenhouse, totally organic, without any dependence on the agribusiness corporations that are destroying the world and -- as Josef tells us -- will eventually be destroyed themselves. Josef also mentions that the biggest problem in his time period is a lack of potable water. So, start stocking up people! I’ve been storing the water from our well in a sealed cellar for over ten years. If you start now, you can put together a supply that can last you for years. Which isn’t to mention what you can do if you build a distillation apparatus to distill rainwater. It’s easy and requires no electricity if you use natural compounds like phosphorus and zinc. Another thing: think about the implications of what Josef has told us in regards to the economic system. Obviously, nuclear war is going to seriously shake up the stock market. So cash out now, people!!! What’s the safest place to put your money? Gold! Gold has been a means of exchange since the beginning of civilization. Its easy to store and it cant degrade. Sell the 401K and invest in Kruegerrands. And even if all monetary exchange breaks down, you’ll still have the food in your greenhouse and the water you’ve stored to barter with. That’s survival, people! There’s no time to waste!Jennieruptha, once again, took exception.
While I’m in complete solidarity with the previous posters re: peace and organic farming, I’m not sure this is the true interpretation of Josef’s message. If Josef’s only intention was to get us to change our politics or our behavior, he wouldn’t have sent us this beautiful, enigmatic symbol. I think Josef is trying to influence our consciousness. He’s trying to get us to think about the future on a spiritual level, so the corrosion of our souls which caused all the death and chaos in his time can be healed. The only real way to change humanity and the future of humanity is on a spiritual level. Josef is not talking to us about organic farming, that’s just a detail. He’s trying to tell us about he feminine wholeness of all things. The birth-giving essence of the earth and ourselves as children of the earth. If we allow ourselves to heal spiritually, we won’t have to worry about the details.Prettycrazygirl was deeply moved.
Wow! I think I get why you were so angry before. Your beautiful post just makes me wish that the president and all the generals and governors could read Josef6’s message and come to the kind of understanding you’re talking about. I never realized that in all the doom and gloom that Josef is talking about, its really a message of hope! I mean, if there wasn’t any hope, why would he bother to talk to us at all??!Josef6 had become hope.
